Friday, September 07, 2007

Khazars or Hazars - Other Central Asian/Eastern European Cultures

This site explores the cultures whose productive contributions are unsung; or downplayed or spun away because of an adverse affect on mainstream European interests.

Magyar Heritage Memorial, Budapest

1. Magyars.

Here, in Budapest, is a memorial to the Magyar heritage, as glorified in nationalistic epic poems. Budapest Road Ways. Western schooling does little to explore their culture.

2. Khazars, Hazars.

The Khazars and Hazars are not part of our usual western curriculum. They settled in Western Russia, Ukraine, Kiev, with much activity in the 8th-9th Centuries. Many converted to Judaism and then to Christianity (Inquisition-related?), and related items - see Jewish history posts in Romania Road Ways.

Our interest here is in how other cultures see them,  This site by Oz Turkler looks at them from a non-western European perspective: a Turkish cultural promotion laying out clear Turkish roots. The site identifies the Hazars as among the numerous Turanic groups, including Huns, and their accomplishments. See The home page is The Magyar connection is there.

Khazars. For the big Khazar picture, read Wikipedia for a start -

Physical attributes.  Norse connections. Of special interest with Hazars is a possible Norse connection - apparently there are almond-shaped eyes, and eye folds in blondes, especially with Norse connections, among other conjectures. This fold disappears usually about age 2 when the nose bridge develops more. What is it with the epicanthal fold in non-orientals, that is so ignored. I had it. Trying to find those old pictures.

Could it not be a throw-back to some great mixing? See In many, it just melts away as faces grow. Is it really routine among Caucasians, or does it evidence other connections along the way? Cheek swabs, anyone? Try mine.

Importance of Hazars. The Hazar Khanate was huge - 8th and 9th centuries, area of the Don, the Caucasus, Hungary, called "Sabar" by Turks, from the Black Sea, to the Dnieper River, the Volga and Kiev. Read all the names in this site aloud and see what visions of migrations east to west appear.

More:  Go to the menu for the Hazars at page at and read of the accomplishments of the empire, and its Hazar Peace. Look at the extent of the Hun empire, and Raphael's painting of Attila meeting Pope Leo, at the site.

Attila was no boor. See Huns. The site notes the long interaction between the tribes and the Romans at the borders, long years of communication, even joint efforts.

3. Huns. 5th century.

Huns have long been demonized in the west for their push that pulled down Rome. Read the negatives in "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire," at

Attila and his ilk: rude, haughty, deformed. What justification other than they won against the Roman Empire?

Attila the man. The other side. Priscus the Goth historian wrote detailed accounts of his meeting with Attila, and the court and surroundings. Rather elegant. Look at paragraphs 6 and 7. See He acknowledges the total defeats that Attila inflicted, and the compassion of Pope Leo at the time and their meeting, see But the events look hardly different from any military victory activity, and the crusader sack of Orthodox Christian Constantinople by the Roman Catholic Christians later was hardly kindly. See

Other sites show Attila as cultured, admirable, or with other human qualities and not the slaughterer - see "[S]ome histories lionize him as a great and noble king, and he plays major roles in three norse sagas." Those roles of Attila are identified as
  • an admirable ally, Etzel, in the Niebelungenlied, see; 
  • cruel miser, in Volsunga Saga, see, and 
  • the poet, Edda., see Wikipedia for that and its other sources; and the map of the size of the empire, at  More fodder for the epicanthal folds - back to Norse history again.
4. Turun tribal empires.

Go to World War I here. I recall reading that certain of the Allies, as they redivided countries while meeting at Triests, said that there was nothing about the Hungarian tradition worth anything anyway. We need Eastern European history more in our curricula. Look at the Turul Bird - see Hungary Road Ways.

Now what effect of leaving all this out of our educations have on our foreign policy. The inheritors of these empires are our fellow participants in competitive global influence making. Cultural myopia. Single-sentence dismissals of entire groups as barbaric/nomadic are self-destructing. See barbarian at It originally meant just a non-Greek.

5. Ottoman Turkish expansion-oriented empire,

This, in the middle ages. Same or different from the Turanic? Different - Hazars were not Muslim, I think. My schooling memory is just that the Turks were threatening this or that, that so and so repelled them for a time, and so on.


An attitude, that only we have merit and that only we are the Sun and the poles combined, is like a leaking galleon with no quadrant at all. If you think it is hard keeping these peoples separated in our western-educated minds, go here and see how many more we know virtually nothing about:

Signed, the Khazar Viking Writing Her Own Saga.

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