Sunday, July 31, 2016

Finding Rasputin: Roots and heritage. The Ras of Ras Putin

When there are no ready records, speculation leads where?
 Rasputin. Unsung qualities, unsung consequences.
Some perspectives. Perhaps Ras Putin.

I.  Finding Rasputin. Among the world's unsung are people whose good qualities become buried in the muck flung by those whose positions and beliefs were threatened; or whose lives are forfeit out of pique. Rasputin is such a person. He was a foreteller from afar, with a nonconforming religious bent, healing powers, and charisma, those qualities overshadowed by extremes in his behavior, accusations of satanism in his powers to mesmerize, seen as a dangerous meddler, acting above others' rules, and always a challenge to authority. Madness? Perhaps. Start with his detailed biography, at a site respectful of mysticism, The Mystica, Rasputin. Track his name, many views, Rasputin. FN 1 And note that, in his home town, Pokrovskoye, he is fondly remembered (last resident who knew him died in about 1993) despite a series of official efforts to discredit him, see 1995

Grigori Rasputin, photograph portrait, Yasupov Palace, St. Petersburg, Russia

Background:  Rasputin was not a monk, but a member of a mystery sect, called Khlysty. Khlysty was an 18th Century offshoot of the Orthodox Church, but independent and contrary to the church's reliance on its own institutions, rites and tradition-based authority. Khlysty: secretive Gnostic elements. A "heresy" in the early church, see Gnosticism is still with us, see  A more general term for a part of it, the practice of the extraordinary, the paranormal, could be Thaumaturgy: the working of magic, miracles. It is a familiar sect, see

Roots. Rasputin was a man of Siberia, a peasant, and that status could take many forms, see History of Siberia. Ethnicity in Siberia was varied, given the many indigenous or sent to that area for various reasons, to populate it, or as punishment, exile. How varied was Russia at the time?  An 1897 census counts 50 million Russians, 20 million Ukrainians, 8 million Poles, 6 million White Russians, 4-5 million Jewish, 4 million from the Baltics, 3 million from the Caucasus, and up to 2 million Germans. See  The map of the Empire in 1897 counts only religions as Orthodox (no Roman Catholic or Protestant or Jewish listed), Shamanists, Muslims.  See 1897 religions-ethnic map.

Siberia's resources:
Family.  Marriage: Rasputin had children of his marriage, Maria Rasputina 1899 (?)-1977, who told her side of his story, see  Another daughter,Varvara Rasputina (Barbara), wrote no memoir, I believe, and died in 1925.  His son, Dmitry, died in exile in 1930 or 1933. See Gaze at the photographs. Do they all have The Eyes.  His always appear very close together, a Dubya trait as well. Any mammalian predator sports straight-on eyes, see A Natural History of the Senses by Diane Ackerman, review at;  but the closer-set ones can be more unnerving. Who else has close-set eyes?

Rasputin had many women, however. Or was it all ultimately not quite done? more hype than consummation?  Apparently most people thought it all happened as touted. See detailed biography again at Either way, Sect Permission Granted, appararently. The Khlysty sect reference to spiritual marriages, and marriages blessed by a priest as a no-no; and the Khlysty use of Radenyi rites (ecstasy, a kind of speaking in tongues, etc, see site), and all that will take more understanding.
  • Non-marriage.What other children might he have had?  The corresponding unsung here are all the women anywhere who bear children for men who, for whatever reason, are not on the scene to be fathers afterwards.  Go back to resemblances, possibly, back at Pokrovskoye, the LA Times report from 1995, above. There is a Rasputin Museum there. see
  • Pokrovskoye Siberia itself:  The village was founded in 1769 by Zaporizhian Cossacks, a southern Ukraine military-political-brigand group, later encroached out of business, search Cossacks, and according to Ukrainian Dmitrio Yavornytsky 1855-1940, a/k/a Evornytskiy,  see bio
Now consider the children, the descendants, of notorious (or great) men, in whom are reflected qualities, good qualities, of those fathers.

 Click on Visit Page there, and the photo disappears. Is there a resemblance?  A search for a daughter, Varvara Rasputina produced this other. Canny, and uncanny.

 Image result for grigori rasputinRelated image

II.  Rasputin's legacy.

We can delve into his beliefs by examining Khlysti and Radenyi, with the idea that rules and limits are for the unawakened, see sites. The entire Holy Russia concept, a chosen-ness above all others, the purity idea, that the people shall toe the line and we will define it, but the State through the leader himself acts above it, and the people shall bask in the reflected glory with dedication to sacrifice, and so on.  That would fit.

III.  Transmission of a legacy. Finding the father, the grandfather, the individual from whom one stems.  Mother is easier.  She was there.  Father? not so much. What's your name? Who's your daddy?

Idea.  There may be clues in naming, as to the father-grandfaather, ancestor, of someone with that name. See Game of Thrones: Snow, perhaps. I understand from out trip to Russia, that it is customary in some places for children born outside the legal sheets to take not the full surname of the father, who is not married to the mother, but to leave off the first syllable.
IV.  Why does it matter? Nationalism.

It matters, for example, because of current nationalism, supremacism currents.

Would Mr. Putin embrace his heritage if he learns (or knows) it is not all Slavic, and if that became public knowledge? Pure Slavic roots for Mr.Putin: very important. Current nationalism in Russia today appears to laud Slavs as the true Russians, all others not so much.  And, as with supremacists here, there are Slavic suprremacist websites.  Here is one: See
  • Videos online feed into more videos because the algorithm thinks you want it. So, the Slavic video here feeds into the next video, which purports to seek to preserve the Slavic physical characteristics it finds very fine. The presentation is intense, with Bulgarian women's chorus behind and other musical selections, see The title is:  " example of Slavic type of face! preserve our people!"
Holy Moley. The Slavic as a literal face of Holy Russia for Patriarch Kirill in 2014?

The video ends with an overt white supremacist message, with dates when whites will be in a minority. A kind of global alert. Online is full of speculators on the genealogy, but the Ras of Ras Putin to me is the most culturally interesting, if it is so.

V.  Even the news is interested. Take Pravda.  Please.

Genealogy for Mr. Putin is addressed even by Pravda, a prominent (only?) Russian news source. In 2002, Pravda showed its interest in origins of its people.  See The Mysterious Genealogy of Russian President Putin, a 2002 article, at 

Alternate lineage theory:  The article in Pravda suggests, because of certain naming customs, that Mr. Putin may derive from a Prince from the city of Tver, who has facial physical similarities to Mr. Putin, apparently, and there are Putyanins from Tver. See article. The name Putyanin appears there in the mid-19th Century, itself unusual.

Start there, and go farther in case Putyanin has nothing to do with Putin.

VI. Reality check on who is legitimately "Russian."

 Are all other components of the population scrum really to be disregarded? There is much to conflict with Slavic monopoly on credit, with population origins long rooted also in old Germanic, Svear and Goths, as well as old Slavs, and Scandinavian Rurikid Dynasty lasting until 1598, and Finno-Ugrics, and Tatars, and Cumans and all who intermarried along the line.

If you find out the descendants of Rasputin, tell Pravda, will you? Thanks. Not long ago, I understand there was a granddaughter, now elderly, in Greece.  Status? Who else?  He had skills in healing, and was charismatic. Did those traits continue in positive ways?

FN 1.  Rasputin:  The name
  • The name is not a surname, according to the site, Siberian Thaumaturgy. It derives from a childhood nickname for the man we know as Rasputin anad who adopted that name as his own.  The nickname was "Raspitnik" or little rogue, little evildoer, for the child's ability to foretell, perhaps -- a childhood 'thaumaturgic' behavior. But what was his father's surname? If Rasputin adopted a childhood nickname, what was his birth name?
  • Will a Russian national please verify the Raspitnik reference meaning?  If it is indeed a childhood nickname suggesting precocious, even scary-power impiness, later meanings such as the debauched one are inapt.and inept for a child. *
    • Clues: May be in records of Tyumen Oblast, the district for Pokorovskoye, Rasputin's birthplace.  A forum's comments includes ideas of many people sharing the surname, Rasputin (is that because many were there as punishment for a crime of some sort alleged, so many would be considered "ill-behaved"? Like a new name being given at Ellis Island? Many archives are now available, see Boris Yeltsen Presidential Library at and, for life there at the time, at
    • Apparently Rasputin himself petitioned the Tsar for a name change to Rasputin-Novy or Novykh, or Novyu, or Novikch (at Alexei's request? just somebody's claim, scroll at alexanderpalace)because of all the other Rasputins?  See forum and vet. Where is a copy of that actual and source-verified petition? For someone who could read it? Go back to alexanderpalace site and scroll.

Update:  Read Rasputin: Faith, Power, and the Twilight of the Romanovs, by Douglas Smith 2016 for an in-depth review of documentation: Acknowledgements, Bibliography and Notes extend pp.681-788, then comes the Index pp.789-817.

Photographs: in two large, glossy sections about 1/3 and 2/3 through.  Such detail, and a readable, thoughtful text. Chronology and early years (acknowledgement that his first 30 years are largely a blank) are particularly helpful, as omitted elsewhere while spin put in. Origins of the name Rasputin: pp.13-14, obscure and varied linguistically, words like it mean crossroads and related ideas, or the wet spring season, but nothing to do with character or deeds. Many Siberians bear that surname. He changed his own name to Rasputin-Novy pp.80-81.

For a fast summary of his life, read down the Index entry itself, pp.806-809.  I read the book backwards: Last chapter, then the one before, and so on. Filled in gaps in a retainable way. Chronology from the beginning became tangled.  Enjoy. There also is reference to the naming custom, for abbreviating the name of a father as to an illegitimate child, that supports the tale of Putin, an odd name in Russian, being in a line of an illegitimate son of Rasputin, take off the Ras, get Putin, and pass the salt?

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